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Interview: Let’s Talk About Artificial Intelligence (AI) - By Marc-André Otis

Whether we call them Deus Ex Machina (from The Matrix) or Terminator, artificial intelligence systems have been at the center of multiple science fiction movies. The box-office success of such movies makes it safe to say that the public’s interest is sparked by the idea of a “robotic superintelligence” that could exceed human cognitive capacities. Still, the artificial intelligence field remains unknown to many and it is an exciting domain in which Canada (and Montreal in particular) is starting to emerge as a significant player. In this context, I sat down with Dave Anctil, a philosophy professor at College Jean-de-Brébeuf, who teaches a class entitled “Penser l’intelligence artificielle” (Thinking artificial intelligence).

1)      What are your qualifications regarding the subject of AI? Have you ever worked directly in the field?
First of all, as an ethicist and a political scientist, I have been studying closely military intelligent systems for about 15 years. More recently, as a cognitive scientist, I work in many fields of AI and social robotics. For example, I contributed recently to an experimental study in the emerging fields of “digital sexualities” and “erobotics”. My expertise in ethics, law, politics and the cognitive sciences is useful to help understand and solve some of the more complex issues surrounding the rise of AI and robotics in the 21st century. But I am no computer scientist! I understand well enough the technology – I even have a few programming projects of my own! –, and I hope I can help with some of the difficult issues surrounding autonomous systems, to make the technology beneficial to society as a whole.

2) What is deep learning?
Deep learning (DL) is just a general approach to machine learning (ML). DL techniques are loosely inspired by the way the brain works, in particular, the general idea of neural networks. AI scientists call it “deep” (or many-layered) in reference to the many layers of neural nets that are used to generate the spectacular results of AlphaGo and AlphaStar, as well as the many other powerful AI systems you can read about every day now. There is a big hype surrounding DL right now. But you must never forget that there are many other techniques of ML used in the AI field!

3) Will artificial intelligence steal our jobs? Which economic sectors could be impacted?
And will we, as a society, benefit from these technological advances?
Any major technological revolution massively impacts the economy and society as a whole. Think about the industrial revolution and the rise of the information age. We currently live in -  by far! – the wealthiest period of human history. But we also live in a pretty unjust world of massive economic inequalities. The wealth we create mostly benefits the top 1%. Our globalized capitalist system is unable to bring real prosperity for the bottom 99%. We live in a world organized for – and controlled by – billionaires. If we actually lived in a fair and just world, I would be very concerned about the rise of AI and robots. But we don’t. Our world is on the brink of ecological collapse. That is the only issue we should be really scared about. I think we should fear climate change and the concentration of wealth instead of computers and robots taking over. Controlling the development of new technologies is a matter of democratic decision-making. It is also a matter of ethics and law. We can make the current transition a success, but only if we, the citizens of the world, mobilize to bring beneficial changes in the world. We only (!) need wise leaders and informed citizens…

4)  What studies should a student pursue if she/he wants to work in the field of AI?
Soon enough, everybody will work with new intelligent systems. The future of AI is a future of human-machine collaboration. Think about it: 40 or 30 years ago, very few people worked with computers and fewer still had them at home. Now we all work, play and socialize with computers all the time. I think it will be the same with AI systems, digital and physical robots. These agents will be ubiquitous, like your smartphone and apps that you use without even thinking about it. AI systems, in particular, will help us get better at many complex tasks in many fields. So I would say to any student interested in AI: don’t become a computer scientist if you don’t like coding or advanced maths! Instead, follow the evolution of technology, learn the basic concepts, be open-minded about it all… and it will be easier for you to adapt. Education systems are currently trying to figure out how to adapt. Soon enough, applied AI courses will become available (or even mandatory) in most college and university curricula.

5) Is there a possibility of an arms race with the Chinese government concerning AI?
Well, it’s not just a possibility. It’s a reality. Most leaders in the AI field – Joshua Bengio, Stuart Russell, Yann LeCun – are very preoccupied with the development of intelligent systems in warfare. Not only military drones and “killer bots”, but also AI systems capable of massively disturbing our digital societies like powerful engines of mass manipulation taking over social media or intelligent agents capable of corrupting or bringing down our infrastructures. Cyber warfare is nothing new. Bu AI systems and robots are scary new tools in the hands of dictators. China is a new superpower but with no democratic or judiciary oversight. You can bet that many military projects are currently developed by Chinese computer scientists and roboticists working for the military. They already have supercomputers and all the means and infrastructures to beat the Americans and Europeans…

6) What are the main ethical factors concerning AI?
They are well known: programming beneficial, unbiased AI systems with implemented democratic, ethical goals and rules; protecting the workforce against the new industrial revolution; limiting the use of AI in warfare; etc. You can all read the Montreal Declaration for a Responsible Development of AI. It’s all there. But I would give my own personal, different take about that.
I have dedicated the biggest part of my life to studying the “dark sides” and ethical limitations of humanity: war, violence, domination, exploitation, corruption, genocide, ecocide… As a philosopher and a scientist, these have been the major subjects of my research for many years. For me, the real ethical factor is the following: can we create better versions of ourselves to help protect mankind against itself? We need intelligent systems to help us make better decisions than those we have made and that we currently make. We already do this in many domains (finance, science, medicine…). Can we do it elsewhere to protect the environment and make the economy great again? Can we make our democratic and judiciary institutions better? Can we become wiser and – yes – more intelligent in our collective decision-making? I don’t know if we can. But we must try. And AI could help us do it. Because right now, despite all of our knowledge and capabilities, we suck!

7) What are the challenges that you face while teaching about AI?

I just started and I’m having a blast! Soon enough, I will discover my many failings… But for now, I am just teaching this awesome stuff, you know? As a big reader of science fiction… it’s like… making science-fiction real!

- Marc-André Otis (Sciences Humaines)

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